Are you experienced?

outsider819

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Seems like there's some folks on here who have a fair bit of actual track and motorsport and just overall real-world driving experience. I, for one, am genuinely interested in what everyone's done and what you plan to do in the future. Yes, seriously!

(And the answers to the obvious questions about my own are very limited and pretty dull. Some of us have to live vicariously through someone, it might as well be you)
 
Always fun to hear about people's experience, I'm just some guy who hangs out around race tracks to take photos sometimes 😅
 
My racing track experience is only with road cars, so it's not really relevant. Ben Collins gave a good feedback about the handling and realism in PMR, especially in the interview made by Gamer Muscle (Sim Racing Expo). Of course it's a marketing, but there is a lot of good information in it.

What I can say from experience is that road cars in Assetto Corsa 1 or Assetto Corsa EVO are overrated. In most cases they understeer too much on corner entry, and oversteer in RWD cars is not as progressive on throttle as in real life.

It's an unpopular opinion, but I don't care :) Assetto fanboys would kill me 😂 And don't get me wrong, I have around 1000 hours in AC1 on PC and console, I like it. My friend is a spotter of Piotr Więcek, multiple Drift Masters champion who also competed in Formula Drift (Worthouse Drift Team). He says that during sliding Live for Speed still has the most realistic tyre model. He drives with Piotr in trainings (in a 1000 hp car), he comes from simracing, they use Assetto Corsa and LFS as a training tool.

Like Ben Collins said, sliding is what most of the sims get wrong. PMR is really good in that regard, a bit on the easy side (I think), BUT... it's a game at the end of the day, and there is something called gamification. I prefer it to be a little bit more forgiving and FUN (which is most important in a game in my opinion), rather than too hardcore.

Our fleet of exotics... my favourite to drive is 458 Italia (lovely balance), and Ariel Atom (so raw).

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And there are 3-4 trucks full of cars like these.

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By far the best experience I had (as a passenger) was a 6:59 bridge to gantry lap in Porsche 911 GT2 RS Manthey Racing, that for a long time had a 6:40 lap time record on the Nordschleife. We had zero traffic in front of us. Sadly the car was later crashed at 190 km/h, and Apex Taxi was closed. They loosed a lot of money on every lap in this car. Business model was not sustainable.

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The best road car handling I experienced so far is a Corvette C6 in rFactor 2. Handling is very close to my actual car, that I know very well after driving it many times on race tracks. But when it comes to race cars, I prefer PMR more (911 Cup 992 for example).

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Yowzers, I'd have probably lost my lunch on that Manthey ride. Some awesome stuff there! Wheere are you based out of, if you don't mind me asking?

I totally agree about AC. We had a bit of a discussion that started off about AC Evo a while back, the original poster @Hobbnob made a pretty good case about grip, slip, and limbo when it came to the tire models in various games. PMR may be a hair forgiving but it sort of makes up for the lack of feeling from g-forces, etc.
 
Yowzers, I'd have probably lost my lunch on that Manthey ride. Some awesome stuff there! Wheere are you based out of, if you don't mind me asking?

I totally agree about AC. We had a bit of a discussion that started off about AC Evo a while back, the original poster @Hobbnob made a pretty good case about grip, slip, and limbo when it came to the tire models in various games. PMR may be a hair forgiving but it sort of makes up for the lack of feeling from g-forces, etc.

Torun, Poland. On the UNESCO World Heritage List. 1000 kilometers from the Nürburgring. We even have two local race tracks.

I'm used to fast cars and g-forces, but as a passenger it was interesting 😅 I asked the driver to go as fast as he could, and he was happy to deliver. I never felt better in my entire life (when talking about materialistic things). Right before Schwedenkreuz we had 296 km/h on the clock (285 GPS speed), and car gets light over the crest at this speed. The toughest part was the compression at Fuchsröhre at around 250 km/h. He could go much quicker, and brake much later, but not worth taking the risk. There is a full onboard lap on my YouTube channel.

Sadly there is no longer an experience like this available at the Ring. This car is a hypercar eater when it comes to lap times. I was talking with the driver after it, and he said that car feels super stable and confidence inspiring. This is what you need at such high speeds. I felt it from the passenger seat.

My dream is to race in VLN one day, competing in a 24h of Nürburgring. It sounds silly, and to do that I need to build one or two companies first 😂 But more important thing is family, that I have a son and wife. He loves cars, he even sleeps with them 😍 He puts them on their roofs and says "goodnight" to them, and "good morning" 🤣 Cool stuff, nothing better in life.
 
Most of the folks from the Project CARS series are familiar with me, but we have some newer folks for PMR.

I've been performance driving since 2000. Started tracking with my 3rd Generation RX7 at the time. Started instructing in 2005 for "track days" and "High Performance Driver's Education (HPDE)" events. I became the Chief Instructor for National Auto Sport Association (NASA Pro Racing) around 2010. I know we have a global group an some may not be familiar with NASA. In North America, we have two main racing organizations that are below IMSA (and the old Koni Series). One is SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) and the other is NASA. There is now "Gridlife" but and some smaller series like Lemons and ChumpCar but SCCA and NASA are the two highly regulated ones that are feeder into IMSA, ARCA and the other professional North American Series. We've had drivers go on to compete in the Pirelli GT4 Series in North America, ARCA Racing series and others.

While working for NASA, I also competed in Time Trials (TT) and W2W in a race converted Honda S2000. Most of my time was TT as W2W takes up a lot time and I was there to work. I have a lot of TT trophies in my house. During that time, I also did instructing for my area Exotic and Supercars group. It's not the same as those "super car experiences" as these folks own their cars and have enough money to rent out tracks for their own events. I've been in just about every car under $500k. Probably the most expensive car I was in was a Ferrari 458 Speciale (I know those go for way more money now but at that time, they were around $550k USD).

Fun story, I was at the track with the exotics club and it was non-stop. I was on the track every session which made for a very long day. After lunch, I finally had a break for 25 minutes. Took off my helmet and went to sit down. Just before I sat down, a friend of mine yells "Can you ride with me?". I sigh, and say sure. I throw my helmet back on and slumber over to his Audi R8 Plus. I open the passenger door and he says "No. I want you to show what it can do". I rarely do this, but he was a good friend so I jumped into the driver's seat. I won't comment on the drive, but this was right in the middle of PC2 development so I was able to provide some direct feedback of the Audi R8 to the devs.

One more fun story. I bought my Jaguar F-Type (modified V6S) to the track instead of my race car. One of the guys at the track wanted a ride in it so I brought. On race weekends, Saturday is always crazy so I didn't get to take him out on the track that day. On Sunday, the morning was crazy so things finally calmed down at lunch time. I asked him if he still wanted to go out, and he said yes. I let him know right after the race group after lunch. Well, it started raining. I told him we might not go as fast, but I was willing to still go if he was willing. So, we jumped out into the Advanced Group of HPDE. I ended up passing the entire group 3 times in 20 minutes on the track in the rain. One of the drivers came up to me after the session and asked if I had an AWD F-Type. I told him "Nope, it's a 2015 so before they had AWD. It's just RWD". His jaw dropped. 😆

2019 was my last year as Chief Instructor for NASA. That season was very hard and I needed to move on. I still did personalized instruction for friends (mostly the exotics club) and other organizations like Porsche Club of America (PCA, great bunch of guys) after leaving NASA. My Audi R8 buddy bought a Radical SRX so I spent 3 days at the track with him giving him a jump start on getting used to the car.

Where am I now? Well, health issues have taken me off the track. My S2000 race car is getting a new engine then going up for sale. My race trailer will also go up for sale. I'm not sad about it. Most people never get to do the things I did and I'm grateful to have done them. I have a friend that asked me to get involved into the Motorsport Safety Organization that started in 2019. At that point, I just needed to clear my mind. I might ping him and see about getting involved.

 
Great story @Mahjik 😃

I've been in just about every car under $500k. Probably the most expensive car I was in was a Ferrari 458 Speciale (I know those go for way more money now but at that time, they were around $550k USD).

Amazing car. I have only driven a base 458 Italia on a few tracks, and it's so good. There are faster cars, but the handling balance is just perfect.

I rarely do this, but he was a good friend so I jumped into the driver's seat. I won't comment on the drive, but this was right in the middle of PC2 development so I was able to provide some direct feedback of the Audi R8 to the devs.

Wow 🤩 I love to drive the R8 V10 Plus in Project CARS 2 😁

Well, health issues have taken me off the track.

I wish you all the best, and speedy recovery 🙂
 
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It was a wonderful car... The owner hit an inner loop wall at Kansas Speedway. He got rid of it and bought a Ferrari Challenge car.
 
Love seeing how others tie their passions in with other aspects as well. Personally, I have never been on a track. Closest I have come throughout my years to an official track was in my 20's when I was the night guard for Bristol Motor Speedway. Did a lot of "Midnight runs" back in those days. Most of my time as far as track racing goes is in the digital world. My racing in the real world has been limited to street racing. So mostly in a straight line.

I am new to PMR and hoping there isnt to many griefers out there. I love to race, but hate when others can only win by racing dirty. Looking forward to some challenging opponets, hopefully. I trully hope I didnt waste 60 bucks. ;)
 
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@Mahjik I was on the old PCars forum enough to know you had some experience with NASA and HPDE but I had no idea it was anything near that much, for that long, and at that level!

Any standout tracks for you guys (besides the previously mentioned Nurburgring from @motorsportman, of course)? Or other cars for that matter?
 
Only Nordschleife a few times and all the race tracks in Poland, that are not known at all, maybe apart from two real circuits (Tor Poznan and Silesia Ring). Other circuits are quite tight.

One day I will visit all the major race tracks in Europe, but I need a proper track car for this. Something that doesn't break down constantly, real track car like 911 GT3 or Cayman. Maybe C7 Z51, or C6 Grand Sport / C6 Z06. Base C6 has a lot of cooling issues, it's a road car and I prefer to keep it stock. ND MX-5 is great fun and doesn't breake down, but it's not fast enough on the straights (mine is 160 hp, 2015 Launch Edition) to compete on big circuits, and I love competition. Did plenty of track days in MX-5 NA too. MX-5 is fantastic fun, especially to learn all the basics of weight transfer and load. For drifting MX-5 is amazing learning tool, because it lacks power, and you need to master the technique first... you need to throw it hard into the corner, and commit to slide it. It spins quickly too. Much harder to drift an MX-5 than to drift a Corvette.

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Growing up I always admired drifting skills of Tiff Needell, Keiichi Tsuchiya or Chris Harris. They all did a lot of racing. Tsuchiya even won Le Mans (NSX). Drifting experience helps quite a lot when doing competitive driving, because I feel much more comfortable when oversteer moments occur.
 
And the best part is that MX-5 is so reliable, I drive it so hard and it never broke down. Mine has 327 000 kilometers (203 000 miles), and 36 years. Sorry for the off topic 😁
 
@Mahjik I was on the old PCars forum enough to know you had some experience with NASA and HPDE but I had no idea it was anything near that much, for that long, and at that level!

Any standout tracks for you guys (besides the previously mentioned Nurburgring from @motorsportman, of course)? Or other cars for that matter?

This is for those that don't know that much about racing in North America. NASA (and SCCA) have regions. I was part of NASA Central so it was mainly tracks in the central part of United States. Most of the tracks are small tracks that most people won't have heard of but I'll list out the tracks that we used to run:

  • Heartland Park Topeka
  • Motorsport Park Hastings
  • Raceway Park Of The Midlands (or Mid-America Motorplex)
  • Hallett Motor Racing Circuit
  • Gateway Motorsports Park (or World Wide Technology Raceway)
  • Brainerd International Raceway
and the ones most people would know:

  • Kansas Speedway
  • COTA
  • Road America
  • NCM Motorsports Park
  • Autobahn Country Club

Not all of those would be raced in the same year and some of those were "joint" events with the NASA Great Lakes Region. The Hallett event is a "shoot out" between NASA Central, Rocky Mountain and Texas regions to see who brings home the most awards.

There are two new tracks in the Central Region that I've never driven which they have on their schedule now:
  • Ozark Raceway Park
  • Hedge Hollow Raceway
 
And the best part is that MX-5 is so reliable, I drive it so hard and it never broke down. Mine has 327 000 kilometers (203 000 miles), and 36 years. Sorry for the off topic 😁

Not OT in this thread! Drifting Miata's, RC cars, drag racing Mustangs, it's all enthusiasts doing enthusiast things. And it's all great.
 
I forgot about this story until I was responding the other day in one of the forum threads.

Many years ago, I participated in a 6 hours race. However, the race started at 6PM and was to run to midnight (and it was about 98F when the race was starting). Our normal NASA events, ended at 5PM so we had the endurance race start an hour after.

I was asked to be part of a 3-drive team. The car wasn't anything impressive. It was a "Spec Focus" (Ford Focus racing car). For those that don't know, there used to be a racing series for the Ford Focus and Ford sold a racing package to make it a "spec" series. Not the fastest thing, but anything with a full cage, racing seat and fully gutted is a blast to drive. Of the three drivers, one was from out of town and the other had very little W2W experience. I didn't want the out-of-town drivers to drive all that way and have a mechanical issue make it so he couldn't drive, so I had him drive first. The inexperienced driver, I didn't want him driving in the dark, so I had him go the second stint. That left the final stint in the dark to me. The owner of the car put some rally lights on the front to help at night. This track we were using isn't really setup for night driving and I had never driven it at night.

The first stint goes nice and easy. The second stint starts and it was summer so it's a lot of light left and he gets going. After about 45 minutes, he comes in for fuel. While fueling, he decides to turn on the lights. As soon as he does that, the car dies. We push the car in the pit lane and have him jump start it, then he's off again. About 10 minutes later, he comes in again complaining about an issue. Everyone looks over the car and sees nothing so we send him back out. Another 10 minutes and he's coming in. At this point, they say let's just do the driver change now which is going to put me in the car for over 2 hours since he's stint is being cut short.

While they are gassing up the car, I throw my HANS on and then my helmet. I get strapped into the car and I'm off. On the second lap, I get a Black Flag. I come in to see what's up. The rear lights on the car aren't working. Basically, the way the owner wired in the rally lights was to tap into the rear lighting. So I had to shut off the rally lights at that point and rely on some 15 year old halogen bulbs... :oops:

I'm back out and now I can barely see anything. I'm flying down the back straight at full speed and I'm thinking "there is a chicane up here some where"... then I go flying into grass thinking "there it is". I get back onto the track and say to myself "you've driven this track thousands of times, get your head together". At that point I had to figure out of way to see where I needed to be but drive as fast as I could. I figured out that I could look between the side mirror and the A-pillar of the car to see the side of the track. That allowed me to get my bearings and start laying down laps.

Laps started to tick away in the dark. Fighting cars left and right that were multiple different classes. At one point, I had a multi lap battle with a friend in a Porsche Spec 944 until he went off the track. :ROFLMAO: After a while, I noticed on the back straight that my steering wheel was a little off center the left but the car was driving straight. It can happen in a car where you hit a bump or curb too hard and the steering is off, so I just reset my hands and kept going. After several more laps, coming out of the final corner, which is one of the slowest corners, the car would be unstable. When going down the main front straight, it goes up a hill to the left and over the hill (where you cannot see it) it goes down to the right (and you are flat out). There is a heavy breaking zone at the bottom of the hill. I came over the hill at full throttle, slammed on the brakes as usual and the rear of the car was dancing all around. It took everything I could to control it. So, I kept driving. A few more laps of the same thing, at the bottom of that hill is a right followed by a quick left. I turned right, then turned left and the car went straight... At that point I knew I needed to get back to the pits.

I drove around the track at a slow pace and came into the pits. My team looked like the crew in Days of Thunder eating ice cream, but instead they were drinking beers. They yelled "What are you doing?". I said "Something is broke". The crew, "Looks fine from here". At that point, I unbuckle the harness and get out. They come over and we are looking around the car and no one is seeing anything. One of the guys kicks the left (US driver's side) rear tire, and the whole wheel and brake assembly fall off the car. We looked at the time and there was only 30 minutes left in the race.

Looking back at that now, who knows how bad that would have been if that came off while actually in motion. It would have likely ripped the brake cable out and I would have lost all braking pressure. I had been in the car about 2 hours at that time. Most people when they do track days do 20-25 minute sessions. It's a lot of concentration to run those types of events.
 
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